This is my interview with Ezra Klein, who's one of the internet's most influential journalists. He co-founded
Vox in 2014, and it was there that he really pioneered this new era of online
journalism. Remember those Vox explainer videos that were so popular? As we recorded this, he's got the number one
book on the New York Times bestseller list. It's called Abundance. We talk about the state of media, why pieces
need to be longer, not shorter, how he reads to understand the world, and why he's skeptical that AI will ever
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