This episode has two guests, not one. Ada Leone and Joy Harjo, and they're the
two most recent poet laurates for the United States of America. They're like the secretaries of rhythm and rhyme.
Poetry is one of the oldest art forms, right? It goes back to the Greeks with singing and dancing, people memorizing
the wisdom of a society. But now, if you ask the average person about poetry, they'll be like, "Ah, I don't really
read poetry. It sounds too much like school." We talked about that. We also talked about how to use metaphors in
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