these great pioneers, they never saw what we know, what happened. That perseverance to be part of something
that's much bigger than you, that just inspired in me an emotion that I like to describe as moral envy. I'm like, so
this is what it means to live a great life. Mark Wheeler says this. He says, "True good fortune is what you make for yourself. Good fortune, good character,
good intentions, and good actions." Today's guest, Ruter Bregman, we talked
a lot about this, how we actually need to be more morally ambitious. If you are
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